Wednesday, August 10, 2016

Paul Ryan won big.....Some people think that is a great idea!

It is instructive to see who celebrates the reelection of Paul Ryan.

Paul Ryan is a traitor.

Not to Donald Trump. He does not owe Donald Trump anything. Of course he pretended to endorse him while undermining him every chance he gets. Because the essence of Paul Ryan and both the Rhino's and the conservative establishment is deceit.

Paul Ryan is a traitor to the American People. He supports unrestrained immigration to take the jobs of American workers. He supports the importation of unrestrained Muslim refugees who are placed in Middle America to rape children. He surrendered to the Democrats and Obama's budget without a fight. He refuses to even attempt to pass Katie's law to deport criminal illegal aliens. He refused to meet with the families of the victims of violence by illegal immigrants. He is an agent of the duopoly. He works hand in glove with the Democrats to pass the agenda of the lobbyists and crony capitalists which is directly in conflict with interests of the American People.

Donald Trump is just a passing moment in the political history of the United States. Just like Sarah Palin and the tea party before him. Both of them lost. Lost big. The same people celebrated their defeat. They same people go on the cable shows to laugh and scoff at the politicians who are fighting for the actual interests of the American people. So if Trump loses they will do the same thing. They will think they have "won" something. What they have done is tighten the screws on the pressure cooker. 

I ask that you stop and think about what you are praising. Take Donald Trump out of the equation. Stop and think if these politicians and their programs are in the best interest of the people. I submit that they are not. They have not been for a long time. Something has to change.

90 comments:

edutcher said...

My point has been whether you liked Trump in January or not, if you were for one of the anti-Whig hopefuls, including Carson, Rand, Jindal, Walker, or even Santorum, you wanted Nehlen to win this one. It was a shot at the heart of the Uni-Party.

It's a tough loss because there were no reliable polls (and I wonder why) and you went a lot on faith. One thing I learned a long time ago (we had a hardcore Lefty named Bobby Edgar who was supposed to be representing us because our district had been gerrymandered to include parts of West Philly), you get a bad guy in there, you keep pounding at him, every time out, don't ever let him feel safe and, sure enough, you will nail him one day.

This piece, from Vanity Fair by way of Breitbart, says we may have won something, anyway.

In any case, I'd say no one here wanted Ryan to win, except one, because we all know what a symbol of bad government he is. We missed this time, but he was scared at the end, if you read what he was saying. We try again next time.

In the meantime, Junior is dead even with only one challenger and he's pushing 80, and Ayotte is down 10.

There are other fish to fry before November.

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

Ryan is in the same camp of Rubio, you can sell your soul pretty easily playing the game in D.C. Rubio got suckered in (eyes wide open of course) with Schumer and the boys. Ryan is gaming it on the House side. I don't hate either one of them, I am profoundly disappointed in them.

edutcher said...

Rubio is in a 5 way primary right now and I don't think he got the backing he wanted or needed after his plans to run for governor fell through, largely because he couldn't carry FL in the primary (which is a whole 'nother story).

I'm guessing, much like someone else, he's pretty well done in politics.

Trooper York said...

I don't ask anyone to hate.

Just realize who Paul Ryan is in reality. Who Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham and John McCain and all the rest really are.

They are traitors to the native born Americans who are the victims of the globalism. To their embrace of the duopoly and corrupt crony capitalism.

A new party needs to arise from the ashes of the failed Republican Party. A party by and for Americans. Who puts the interests of Americans first. Not migrants. Not illegal immigrants. Not the super rich business establishment. Not the lobbyists who do the bidding of the duopoly.

A Trump election would be a good start. But you know what. It might just be a band-aid on a gaping wound.

edutcher said...

Trooper York said...

They are traitors to the native born Americans who are the victims of the globalism.

They're even traitors to the people they induce to come here. We outlawed bonded indenture 200 years ago and they want to bring it back

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

Facebook liked bonded indenture. It keeps Zukerberg in waffles.

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

A Trump election would be a good start. But you know what. It might just be a band-aid on a gaping wound.

I assume Trump would be better on the immigration issue than the other candidates who ran (and certainly far better than Hillary). But I doubt he would change the overall decline dynamic. But I know damn well Hillary would accelerate the decline and I want her to lose.*

*I do not want anyone to shoot or physically harm Hillary. Her health is fragile as it is.

chickelit said...

Ryan is a RAT (republican against Trump). Wisconsin deserves Hollary good and hard.

AprilApple said...

Uh - you are wrong. He lost! big! Just like Trump is winning!

AprilApple said...

Ryan is against Trump - that's why Ryan spoke at the convention and told everyone to vote for Trump.

chickelit said...

Who is the latest loser candidate put forth by the RATs?
Evan McMullin?

BTW, for all you travelling carnivores: any recommends for steak in Amarillo?

chickelit said...

Can we at least all agree that the RATs (formerly #NeverTrumpers) are waste of time? There less than 100 days left -- too late for newcomers.

chickelit said...

Sorry all the typos. Writing on iPhone travelling on I-40.

Julie Pascal said...

No one can do anything at all if they don't manage to get and stay elected.

I figure that Ryan has always been middling big-gov with ever so slight points toward fiscal responsibility. He ran for VP and was made out to be the next best thing to an economic Hitler. Extreme. Wants people to starve to death and die even though he's always been in and expressed himself as part of the "compassionate conservative" camp.

This is on account of anyone who gets on a Republican presidential ticket receives an immediate brain transplant with Hitler.

There's always something dreadfully wrong with everyone and I'm sort of tired of it. I have a facebook acquaintance who finds Trump horrifying but will foam at the mouth at the mention of Cruz. No one wanted another Bush, though Jeb might have been steady and sturdy and competent. Rubio? Would Rand Paul really have been a disaster? Would Fiorina really not been competent? It's like people have accepted this new thing where anyone who isn't your guy is Satan.

And we're being presented with Hillary, who almost couldn't win a fixed primary against crazy grandpa Bernie who didn't get the memo that the election was intended to be fixed.

But anyone she ran against would receive that same Hitler brain transplant, so there is no "better" than what we've got.

I just wish that we'd stop participating in this hyperbolic demonizing of politicians who disappoint us. Until a majority of voters demand the reforms that you or I or whoever wants, people who want to be elected are not going to do so either.

Trooper York said...

Ryan is the reason the Republican party will soon cease to exist. He issued a pro forma endorsement of Trump after hemming and hawing. Then with every controversy he runs to undermine him in the press by saying "That is not who we are." That's right. Someone who wants to get a handle on illegal immigration. Someone who doesn't want to import thousands of Muslim terrorists refugees. Right. That is not who he is.

Julie Pascal said...

"...recommends for steak in Amarillo..."

I think that steak in Amarillo is hard to get wrong... look for lots of cars in the parking lot, which is standard for "good food here". I would say, don't be silly and ask for it raw. It's still important to bring the outsides to germ killing temps or you'll spend the next couple of days being sorry.

Third Coast said...

You're right Troop. I'm afraid its going to take a cataclysmic disaster of some sort to wake people up. Whether its an economic or terrorist event or something else, people will have to have their lives and/or futures at risk before they start hanging the bastards.

Trooper York said...

Demonization? Ryan gets nothing but a tongue bath for selling America down the river.

If he is a conservative you can have it. There is no such thing as conservatism. He sold out to Obama by passing his budget. He refuses to even try to pass Katies Law. He did not even use techniques of the House by sending up separate funding bills to make Obama veto them. He gave him a free pass by putting it all in a omnibus bill.

He is a big part of the problem. A big big part. Bigger than even Hillary. At least she is honest in her corruption.

AprilApple said...

@ Julie -

No one can do anything at all if they don't manage to get and stay elected.

There's always something dreadfully wrong with everyone and I'm sort of tired of it.


This.

I know I'm hard on Trump, but most of that is a reaction to the non-stop vilification of all those who are not-Trump. It gets old. And most of the hyperbole from Trump fan boyz is perfection seeking lunacy.

AprilApple said...

"Bigger than even Hillary. At least she is honest in her corruption."

She is not honest in her corruption.

Trooper York said...

Perfection seeking lunacy? That perfectly describes your attitude toward Trump.

Thanks for that one. I think I will be using it from now on.

Trooper York said...

Hillary is much more honest in her corruption. Ryan and his ilk pretends that they have the best interest of the people at heart when he is a minion of the moneyed interests and the global elite. He is a charter member of the duopoly and nothing will ever change if he has anything to say about it.

Ryan is a sneak and a liar. He will build a wall around his house but not a wall to protect our border. He will make a pro-forma endorsement but never miss a chance to undermine the candidate in the press when he should just shut his fucking mouth.

This was only the first attempt to get him out of Congress. I hope they can find a better candidate next time.

AprilApple said...

It's the democrats who are in bed with big business and mega corporations.

The top 8 insurance companies wanted to make more money - the democrats made sure it happened with smooth talking Obama to do the con job. (and Gruber's expertise )

Hillary will pound it into taxc payer funded hell. WE will have the horrid 4-cancer patients per room like they have in the NSA in Britain. and the progs will all cheer.

AprilApple said...

Well Troop - go vote for the honest crook - Hillary. She's your gal.

AprilApple said...

I left off some -- "fan-boy throne sniffing perfection seeking lunacy."

Amartel said...

Big biz does biz with/cronies up to whatever political party will help them. They don't discriminate.

AprilApple said...

Amartel - partially true. I do not think every member of the GOP is a bribe taking jerk. I do think that about most or all dems.

The dems have the corner market of Google, K street, mega-insurance, fake green energy etc... Hillary is going to turn China and Russia into her own personal silicon valley piggy bank.

AprilApple said...

If you are honest in your corruption - you admit you are corrupt. Hillary is the last person to admit she is corrupt. she lies about her lies on a daily basis.

Amartel said...

"Hillary is much more honest in her corruption."
That's the right wing perspective. Ask a bleeding heart lefty how "honest" the Clintons have been about their corruption. Actually, these days, ask 73% of the population (or whatever the latest polling is) about how honest and trustworthy Clinton has been about her corruption. The Clintons have lied constantly, daily, minutely. They say the scripted words about being "for the people" and against big bad biz all the while collecting obscene profits from big biz in exchange for favors. And that's just their domestic grifting; the foreigner policy stuff is even more corrupt and hypocritical. It's potentially treasonous. To an honest lefty, they are just as disgusting as the establishment liars on the right, who talk a good game about conservative policies and do nothing of any worth to advance them, are to righties.

edutcher said...

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

A Trump election would be a good start. But you know what. It might just be a band-aid on a gaping wound.

I assume Trump would be better on the immigration issue than the other candidates who ran (and certainly far better than Hillary). But I doubt he would change the overall decline dynamic. But I know damn well Hillary would accelerate the decline and I want her to lose


I think Trump would remind people what this society is capable of achieving. We've had 8 years of April-style negativism and it does take a toll. Ask anybody who remembers the 70s and then saw what Reagan did in terms of the mood of the country.

He can't be the change by himself, but he can be a catalyst to a change in the people.

AprilApple said...

Uh - you are wrong. He lost! big! Just like Trump is winning!

You really are being an ass. The race is dead even, given Cacklepants is outspending Trump 15 - 1, I'd say that's pretty good. Once people get back from vaca, the Olympics (mercifully) end, and the kids get back to school, the race will tighten (always does - even the Demos admit it; sorry, April). The next big thing will be the debates - we'll see if they happen.

Ryan has gained himself few friends. If you want to put him in the same bag with the One True Ted and Little Marco, that's your thing.

Ryan is against Trump - that's why Ryan spoke at the convention and told everyone to vote for Trump.

He did? Ryan mostly talked about himself.

Seems like he's been "endorsing" since June, but there's always a catch. Some people can't ever seem to get the difference between being cute and being a fool.

I know I'm hard on Trump, but most of that is a reaction to the non-stop vilification of all those who are not-Trump

Not hard, pro-Hillary. And nobody here vilifies nd or bag or E.

And spare us all the victim whining. You come in here and do everything you can to badmouth anybody who dares disagree with you.

Typical Lefty tactics BTW.

I've gotten nothing but fuck off out of you because all I do is point out the lies and the errors in what you say. You can't back up what you say and the closest you come is quote some Cruzzer jerk from TOP or Insta.

And now we have this latest nonsense how Ryan lost like you're making some great point. All you're doing is making a fool of yourself.

I promised myself I was going to let anybody else who had something to say, say it, but this latest tack is the limit.

You claim you were for Rand and Carson and the One True Ted, but one of the people who inspired all the people who really supported those people to get involved this year because of the bad government he's given us and all you can do when he wins is cheer because some of the people who opposed him support Trump. It's very easy for me to believe you never supported Rand or Carson or anyone else.

You don't care about anything but your petty little vendetta and if the greatest country in the history goes down, well, you got yours.

Amartel said...

"I do not think every member of the GOP is a bribe taking jerk. I do think that about most or all dems."

Neither do I. These days being a Dem politician pretty much guarantees there has been some sort of grift along the way. Their people don't ride herd on them like the Reps do theirs.

AprilApple said...

btw- The media reaction today over Trump - made me like Trump more. Today!

Just thought I'd let yaz know.

Amartel said...

Dems have all the money.

Amartel said...

Heh. The media is saving Trump. He's got his core believers then he's got people like me who just loathe the MFM. And have no choice but to vote for him given the gruesome alternative. I also think it's way too early to get excited about polling. Most people are still on mental/summer vacation, watching the Olympics, living the fantasy, going along with whatever the TV says.

AprilApple said...

Ed- you are such a dick-less idiot.

Trooper York said...

The Republicans are no better than the Democrats. Who is better Paul Ryan? Get the fuck out of here.

The Republicans have both house of Congress and did jack shit. I repeat jack shit. The so called conservatives did jack shit.

We need a new political party. With a new identity. One that puts Americans first. Not the global elite.

You think Ryan and Bush and McConnell are any better than Hillary. Give me a fuckin' break.

Trump is just the beginning. He is a very imperfect vessel. Very analogous to Jean-Marie
Le Pen. In fact I think the situation is very analogous.

AprilApple said...

ed- Look at you go on and on... and on... It's all crap. What does your wife think of your obsession with me?

You pay more attention to me than her. You really are a pathetic loser.

Julie Pascal said...

Hillary isn't honest about her corruption. Hillary supporters will explain how every single possible charge anyone makes against her is a complete lie. She has integrity! Class, too, for keeping her cool in the face of it all.

AprilApple said...

Ryan is all you have, Troop. At this point it seems like you and Ed want the democrats to win. You want Pelosi, Russ Feingold, Hillary, Reid. If they are all the same - support them.

Julie Pascal said...

"btw- The media reaction today over Trump - made me like Trump more. Today!"

It's amazing how often that happens.

edutcher said...

Amartel said...

Dems have all the money.

Actually not.

The Mook sent out an agonizing email to all the marks, uh..., Democrats warning them that the Donald was doing quite well in the fund-raising end.

You see, Cacklepants is paying $15/hr to trolls like April to write drivel like He lost! big! Just like Trump is winning! and airing ads that run on TNT at 11:15 on Friday nights. That just eats up the money.

That, and the 800 people she has on staff, some of whom do something beside keep her alive.

The Demos, true, have become the party of Wall Street and have been since the 90s (there's a surprise), but they don't know how to spend money wisely.

so I'm cool with them wasting all that filthy lucre. They may go looking for it around Halloween and wish they still had it.

PS April, your gift for gay, sophisticated repartee is ever with us.

AprilApple said...

Does your wife know you write 6 dissertations a day to someone who despises you?

That's messed up. I wonder why you are so obsessed with me? I don't give a shit about you.

edutcher said...

AprilApple said...

Ryan is all you have, Troop.

Isn't she cute?

This is some cool Libertarian mental jiu jitsu she learned over at RedState, I'll bet - they're always right, you know.

Too bad it's no substitute for an intelligent argument.

Trooper York said...

I don't have Ryan. He is not representing me. He is representing big business. He is selling American jobs and American soldiers and American rights down the river. He will keep giving us endless wars to defend towel heads and import terrorists and rapists and tell us there is nothing he can do about. He will do the bidding of his corporate masters just like the Democrats.

There is not a dimes worth of difference between them.

edutcher said...

AprilApple said...

I don't give a shit about you.

That's why you have to shoot off your foul mouth at me all the time.

You know what Dr Freud said about people like that.

Trooper York said...

We need a new political direction. By Americans. For Americans. For the working people and the middle class. The small businessman. For the poor who are being raped by the race hustlers and the poverty pimps. They have all been sold out for money.

Trump is only the third attempt at a populist response. Sarah Palin was the first tentative attempt at a new direction. The tea party built on that. Trump did the same and began the turn towards putting America First. This is a process. We might fail here and there along the way. It seems like everyone is against it. The Democrats. The Rhino's. The Establishment Conservatives. The media. Big business. The criminal element in BLM and Occupy Wall Street. Everyone except normal regular Americans. The people. We will see if there is enough of them to make a change.

edutcher said...

I think the worse things get, the more people will start demanding change.

I remember when this all started saying, "It's gonna have to get a lot worse before it gets better".

I hate being right.

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

Working class black, Latino and Asian Americans face the same crush that White working class Americans are facing. A movement that bring them all together would be tough to stop.

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

Troop, I am not sure I would call Hillary "honest" in her corruption (although I think I know what you mean). Isn't it better called shameless?

Ryan and the GOPe know they are doing wrong, and do it anyway. Hence the reason they try to hide it.

edutcher said...

Evi L. Bloggerlady said...

Working class black, Latino and Asian Americans face the same crush that White working class Americans are facing. A movement that bring them all together would be tough to stop.

I think Trump sees that. You heard the phrase "big tent" a lot in the 80s, but this is a guy who wants to make it work if he can.

Troop, I am not sure I would call Hillary "honest" in her corruption (although I think I know what you mean). Isn't it better called shameless?

Maybe it's "entitled".

I think these people really believe they're better than everybody else. They've been told it most of their lives and, because they throw a crumb or two in the general direction of the suffering poor (hey, they went to Haiti to do good, so why shouldn't they come home having done well?), they should get something out of it.

You look at Willie and you know this is somebody who believes all the lies he tells the second he says them. That is what a sociopath is.

windbag said...

I don't like Ryan because he made me look like a fool for saying "We can't do worse than Boehner."

Rhythm and Balls said...

So this is what it comes to.

No way of finding anything good to say about the guy without calling everyone else mean, mean traitors.

Sounds like a strong candidate.

Rhythm and Balls said...

Can I start a new club?

Trump-disliking/hating Hillary haters?

Both of these candidates suck ass. And they're the epitome of how horrible each wing of the duopoly is: For years the best they could say was: "The other guy's worse!"

But this time... This time they're both really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

I want a new coalition of voters who can't stand either. In fact, I think we're the "silent" (or maybe, not so silent) majority.

Trooper York said...

I say plenty of positive things. They are ignored. I did a post about the great economic speech he made in Detroit. Crickets.

The fact remains that Paul Ryan is a cancer regardless of his attitude toward Trmp.

Rhythm and Balls said...

Trump is like the reverse King Midas. Everything he touches turns to crap. Or to zinc, if you want to get elemental about it.

Everything Hillary touches blows up.

#WorstElectionEver.

Rhythm and Balls said...

Actually, I'll give you/Trump credit for that. His speech in Detroit was not bad.

This election will be fought/won in the rust belt. PA, OH, MI, etc. Right now, there've been reports that "centrist" Democrats want Bernie Sanders to campaign for Hillary out there. Bernie says huh-uh. No dice.

That means the Democrats are in big trouble. They're so easily bought out and knee-deep in the favors game that they forgot the meaning of populism, let alone what it means to be economic nationalists. That will screw them up big time in those states.

Trump could really get her there, if he plays his cards right.

Trooper York said...

The debates will tell the tale. The lying media will not be able to distort what people actually.

Which is why I think Hillary will refuse to debate.

Trooper York said...

What people actually see for themselves.

edutcher said...

I'm not counting on debates, either.

Look how much is already out there and the media can't cover it up. CNN and the WaPo are already starting damage control; it's on Drudge and (don't tell April) the National Enquirer.

They'd like Trump to throw a fit over scheduling so they have an excuse to back out, but he looks like he wants to negotiate, if possible, so it may all be back in their court.

Anybody who remembers '72 knows how much of a mess trying to reshuffle a ticket can be - and that was just the running mate.

AprilApple said...

Trump has work to do.

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AprilApple said...

Lem - Please remove all the posts where Ed cuts and pastes my posts.


He is ruining your blog.

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chickelit said...

Texas Steak Roadhouse was pretty good. I recommend the 20 oz ribeye, bone in, medium rare.

AprilApple said...


Letting Trump Run Wild Exposes GOP’s Lack of Principles

edutcher said...

NRO, the NeverTrumper home page?

Surely, you jest.

AprilApple said...

Ed- does your wife Know you are obsessed with me? You really are an PATHETIC asshole.


Lem - If you do not ban Ed - I'm leaving and I'm taking my financial support with me.


Blackmail. Nothing else.

AprilApple said...

No ed- you are stalking me and you need to stop.

Nobody else does this. You are ruining Lem's blog with your obsession over me.

Lem said...

You been warned Ed.

No more assailing April.

If you do, I'm going to start deleting your comments.

chickelit said...

I somehow got on NRO's email list. After months of anti-Trump propaganda, I simply unsubscribed. Life is too short to go looking for annoyances.

Lem said...

Liberals are liberally tweeting Jonah Goldberg quotes.

I think I even saw Joyce Carol Oates quoting him.

AprilApple said...

I like Jonah G. I think he's funny and I like his writing style.

I know he's #Never Trumper, but you know - that was the risk this time around.

chickelit said...

If Bill Buckley and George Will had been around and writing in 1952, both of them would have opposed Ike in that election. They would have supported Robert Taft in that primary election because Taft was the adulterated "Mr. Republican" of his era. Trump is certainly adulterated in many ways. But the whiners and partisans gave up their mutiny at the '52 Convention. Not so, our little RATS at NRO and the WaPo.

I still can't believe that Will has such a hard on for Hillary.

AprilApple said...

Will and Trump have a history. They hate each other. I heard Hugh Hewitt, who is critical of Trump but is wholly on board with supporting Trump - say he disagrees with George Will's ultimate refusal to support Trump.

Methadras said...

Well, incumbency is a very difficult thing to beat. Ryan brings home the bacon, plus he's house speaker which is #3 on the succession list and a very prestigious title to have. He's a giant fucking douche now, but here's to hoping that he comes to his fucking senses and realizes he's selling his country out for his own personal slush fund.

chickelit said...

Will and Trump have a history. They hate each other. I heard Hugh Hewitt, who is critical of Trump but is wholly on board with supporting Trump - say he disagrees with George Will's ultimate refusal to support Trump.

Will is fine writer as well. But, I hear that Goebbels was a fine writer too in the original German. Excellent writing style isn't everything. Sometimes you have to think about what they are saying. My wish is that Will chokes on some piece of baloney that Hillary feeds him or that his vaunted integrity is somehow besmirched.

chickelit said...

I know he's #Never Trumper, but you know - that was the risk this time around.

It seems to me that they are caught in a tremendous bind. They need Trump to fail and to fail badly. As a corollary, that want an entire swath of the electorate to be proven wrong as well. If Trump doesn't fail spectacularly, I don't believe that either man is big enough to admit that they were wrong and that millions were right. A number of long dead pundits have ultimately acknowledged the inchoate wisdom of the American people. And Troop is right: what Trump feeds is not going away, even if Trump loses. The GOP has still become the GOPe and they can't undo that.

chickelit said...

Just a few years ago, the notion of being against "accelerated globalism" was only an old trade union notion, and largely confined to guys like Dick Gephardt . Now it has crept into the Republican side of politics as well thanks to Trump. The reason it took hold was of course because the promulgators of accelerated globalism went too fast and left too many people behind.

chickelit said...

chickelit said...
Just a few years ago, the notion of being against "accelerated globalism" was only an old trade union notion, and largely confined to guys like Dick Gephardt .

And, of course Ross Perot. But Perot wasn't allowed onto the Republican ticket by the same "staunch conservatives" who object to Trump this time around.

Notice that Democrats are now wholly board with accelerated globalism: open borders, massive increases in H1-B visas.

Trooper York said...

Trumps issues and a trumps voters will not go away regardless of what happens in this election.

If he loses the powers that be will really not like what comes next.

edutcher said...

I'll relink this later in the day, but, if you've seen CNN, you can verify the truth of this:

There are polls and there are polls: CNN slips badly due to non-stop Trump bashing.

Objective data is the best, when you can get it.

AprilApple said...

Chickl - But we never win. We cannot beat the corrupt dems if we don't win. We can beat up the GOPe all day long, but it will amount to a gun shot in out-space, in an unknown galaxy far far away.

Pro-Trumpers do not get that Trump's behavior during the primary was so vile, they simply hate the man personally. I think more have come around and will plug theri nose for him. They don't want Hillary (even though you say they do) They do not. This election is a tough one.

I know people who are on the left politically (you know where I live) - they hate Hillary, they voted for Obama, they are disillusioned with Obama, and they want a way out. They still refuse to consider Trump. They don't care at all about the GOPe or National Review. They don't READ National Review. National Review is inside baseball. Trump has a huge opportunity to reach these people,. and he's not doing it.

chickelit said...

AprilApple said...
Pro-Trumpers do not get that Trump's behavior during the primary was so vile, they simply hate the man personally.

It's the repulsion , stupid

I'm not aiming the word stupid at you -- it's a riff on "It's the economy, stupid."

I have been fascinated with how and why both Hillary and Trump repulse different factions. To date, I have not seen an open discussion. There is literally no one out there in this big world who can see the repulsive factors of both Trump and Hillary. If there are, they ain't talking, yet. I want a discussion on the level of why Trump has primarily female detractors and why Hillary has primarily male detractors. I know there are exceptions, for example, those repulsed by by both.

Trooper York said...

Trump is the husband they could never attract. The rich guy who married the supermodel.

Hillary is the first wife who does nothing but bitch and nag.

It's that simple.

AprilApple said...

2 people doesn't extrapolate out to mean much. I know that, Chickl. As a real life example, however, I sat at lunch with two of my friends who are both working professionals. One is an electrician (he owns the business) the other a professional kitchen designer. They both voted for Obama. The last 7+ years under Obama have opened their eyes. Even though they are social liberals, they recognize that Obama's polices have been devastating. They (both male and female) cannot stand Hillary and they don't like Trump. What do they do? You will find it a surprise that I asked them to be open minded about Trump and to give him a chance.


btw- the Electrician used to complete a lot of work out at the airport in Denver. He no longer does much out there, because of a program where only minorities and women are offered the opportunity to bid on jobs at DIA. Government meddling at its finest.

edutcher said...

Chick, it's not the people who lost, most eventually went over to Trump.

All primaries get rough, some more than others, but the party keeps the eyes on the prize.

AJ Lynch said...

I think NRO's Kevin Williamson is a brilliant mind and writer but he has gone nuts too like Kristol and Jonah. The groupthink at NRO should be investigated - I don't get it - could there be big money involved perhaps?

Trooper York said...

Trump exposed the contempt they have for regular people. They are more concerned about not being racist and virtue signaling then in protecting America. Protecting our jobs, our communities and our country.

They are part of the elite consensus that has nothing but contempt for you and me.

edutcher said...

AJ Lynch said...

I think NRO's Kevin Williamson is a brilliant mind and writer but he has gone nuts too like Kristol and Jonah. The groupthink at NRO should be investigated - I don't get it - could there be big money involved perhaps?

NRO's been drifting for quite a while now. Kristol has always straddled the line.

We do know the One True Ted bought and paid for HotAir and TownHall, as well as Mark Levin and some other talkers, out of money supplied by Mitch McConnell's PAC. We also know Tom Donahue basically bought Congress in the name of cheap labor, so, if other websites have been bribed, it's not beyond the realm of possibility. The Chamber of Commerce has a lot of money.

edutcher said...

Trooper York said...

Trump exposed the contempt they have for regular people. They are more concerned about not being racist and virtue signaling then in protecting America. Protecting our jobs, our communities and our country.

They are part of the elite consensus that has nothing but contempt for you and me.


Case in point:

First Dubya, then Miss Sarah, now Trump in the crosshairs.