Wednesday, February 10, 2016

"It could have been more effective and complete if they used the same message, but included the kids calling each other losers, lightweights, bimbos, and pussies. Just sayin"

Breibart News.com by John Nolte February 10, 2015


The dreadful, desperate, and more than a little paranoid left-wing New York Daily News again went trolling against its enemies on the political right Tuesday night. This time, though, the Daily News did not attack powerful politicians or powerful organizations like the NRA. No, this time the Daily News attacked the powerless: the everyday American men and women who dared vote for Donald Trump in New Hampshire.
Like the Huffington Post’s earlier attacks on New Hampshire voters as “racist and sexists,” the Daily News attacked New Hampshire voters as “mindless zombies.”
Attacking voters.
There is nothing the powerful won’t do to hold on to their gilded trough in the failed status quo.
This is the preferred method of the Anti-Trump brigade. They attack Trumps voters as racists and sexists and morons. They quote Trump's prior positions that he might have changed as though it will make the stupid voters see the light. As if the other politicians in the race never changed their positions.

The fact is the Trump voter doesn't care. He wants change. Radical change. Not bullshit change that the politicians promise but never materializes. Will Trump follow through on all of his campaign promises? Of course not. He probably won't follow through on most of them. Just like any politician. But his ego is invested and I doubt he will be a cheese eating surrender monkey like Obama. He will make deals. With the Chinese. The Russians. The Iranians. The Mexicans. The Democrats. He will start out demanding the world and settle for much less but still change the debate to his terms. Just as he did on the subject of immigration from Mexico or the Middle East. He has changed the dynamic and everyone is debating it on his terms. That's how you do it. Not surrendering to the Democrats and La Raza right out of the box the way that Bush or Rubio or Kascih would do.
It is a great idea to attack the voters who have the termerity to go against the pundits and the media and the elites. When polled by reporters most of the Republican establishment in New Hampshire said they didn't know anyone who was voting for Trump. No kidding. They can't buy a clue.
There has been a big debate about the words that Trump uses. That he is vulgar. Unseemly. Not presidential. Sure. That's way important. I mean the other side is civil. They don't throw stones or indulge in intemperate language.

You know what. Fuck that noise. Give it back to them with both barrels. The time for nicety is over. 
(Que the sexual comments and squeals of disapproval)

43 comments:

Amartel said...

The tone is set by the establishment mouthpieces. Trump is just surfing that wave. On the downside, in the future of our Idiocracy the customary greeting instead of "hello" will be "fuck you."

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

yes - even the vending machines will say it.

Trooper York said...

You have to give it back. When the go to description of you is that you are a Nazi moron you don't have to take it and play nice.


That is what George W Bush did. We can't repeat that mistake.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Especially since the leftists are the Socialist Nazi Fascists.

bagoh20 said...

I'm waiting to see what slur will be deployed in place of defending what is supposedly an intellectually developed position. Obamafans call me a "racist". Leftists call me a "bigot". Climate alarmists call me a "denier". You gotta come up with one - it saves a lot of effort.

bagoh20 said...

Like everything else, attacking voters for being uninformed and easily conned was a good thing before Trump. Is there anything valued that Trump supporters won't throw under the bus? It's Obamafans with different hats. If you support Trump, you should be able to defend that choice with arguments, if you can't, then what are YOU doing?

bagoh20 said...

""It could have been more effective and complete if they used the same message, but included the kids calling each other losers, lightweights, bimbos, and pussies. Just sayin.""

Just like the rest of the ad, it would only be quoting what Trump has actually said. Is that over the top, unfair, insensitive, not fitting the new politically correct standards developing?

Trooper York said...

It is not unfair or over the top or insensitive. It is just stupid just like this stupid ad. Do you really think this is effective? Talk about your childish bullshit.

Trump is blunt and straight forward and vulgar. New York Style. In your face. If you don't like it then vote for a phony piece of slick whale shit like Rubio. Or a entitled legacy douche like Jeb. Or Cruz if that is the one you like. Not many people like him but hey maybe I am wrong. Maybe he is the right guy. Fair enough. I won't call you a racist or a fascist or a moron.

It's time to blow it all up. On both sides of the aisle. No more of the same old same old. Enough.

Did you notice that all of the establishment characters are fighting amongst themselves and not going after Trump in a major way? They are crabs in a bucket.

Trooper York said...

George W Bush was a punching bag for the left. He demoralized the base and left conservatives gun shy. It took the reaction against the Obama overreach to give the Republicans traction.

You need to give it back to the lefties in a way they will understand. Straight between the eyes.

Rabel said...

Yesterday morning, if I were voting in the New Hampshire primary, I would have voted for Cruz. After listening to Trump's victory speech, I think I would change that to a vote for Trump. I'd have to go back in time but, hey, we're hypothesizing here.

Why, Bago asks quite reasonably. Because I think he can win, and I think that the man I saw speaking was saying what he truly believed, and I agreed with almost everything he said. The message I heard was "America First" from a man who believes in that and will do what he can to make it a reality. Will he meet his goals as president? Probably not. The next Presidential term is set up to be a disaster for whoever wins.

Cruz, I think, truly believes in America too, but I question whether he can overcome the demonization by the left, the Republican Party, and the mainstream media. He just doesn't seem to have the personality and presentation to fight it effectively. Trump is even more demonized but I think he has the ability to overcome and stands a better chance of winning the general election.

One of us is wrong about who Trump really is, Bago. It might be me or it might be you. We'll see.

Amartel said...

Just wondering why you think it's only Cruz who will be most disadvantaged with the leftist demonization mud-slinging crew? Trump's been demonized for decades. I remember the Spy magazine "short fingered vulgarian" smear from the 80s. There's so much more material to draw on with Trump. Cruz is actually advantaged by being a bit of a noob. And you know they're holding back for now because Trump is the left's favored Republican candidate (since we're obviously not going with Kasich, the self-professed Democrat, or Jeb!, who won't blame Obama for anything). Trump is the left's Republican candidate. Just ask Jerry Rivers, he knows.

Amartel said...

Also, Cruz stacks up better against Sanders.

bagoh20 said...

"They are calling Trump voters racists, fascists and sexists."

I never did that, but you like that hardball stuff anyway, right? Live by the sword, get used to bleeding. To be both a Trump supporter and to also cry about being called names is a bit hypocritical.

As poorly delivered as it is, I like Trump's message too. I just don't think he has any aversion to expanding government, and I expect him to make deals with all the worst people in congress and spend big to "solve" problems. Those solutions will become new wasteful programs that will grow forever and never be repealed. That's what his history shows me I should expect. I don't judge people by their words or promises, and to do so with someone running for office is just nuts. I use his record. He is not a good deal maker. As I've pointed out, he has dealt himself a financial return on his inheritance that is less than mediocre.

I have hope that if he wins, that he will fire some people, close some departments, etc, but that's just a hope with no evidence to suggest it. If I'm wrong, I'm prepared to be a fan too. I just don't get there solely on rhetoric opposite one's record.

MamaM said...

I'm waiting to see what slur will be deployed in place of defending what is supposedly an intellectually developed position. Obamafans call me a "racist". Leftists call me a "bigot". Climate alarmists call me a "denier". You gotta come up with one - it saves a lot of effort.

Does use of the term "dirty little naughty girl" to describe the sexual acting out of an abused child fall into that category?

It's all fun and games until someone crosses whatever line the other has drawn.

Clearly something unusual is happening to a system that's stopped working for a large number of people. The word "authenticity" from Bill Maher today gave me pause, as I felt he'd captured the heart of the matter this time around with that word in this statement: ...it's a year of new rules — to borrow from Real Time — largely rewritten by Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders. No one thought a politician could survive, much less stay in the lead for as long as Trump has, based on a campaign of braggadocio and utter contempt for political correctness. But the younger generation is leading a movement to prize authenticity above all. Trump is a petulant child, but at least that's real, they seem to be saying.

Egotists are not as locked in their behavior as narcissists are, and it's my belief Trump's love for his country and family, along with the business skills he's acquired along the way will be enough to move him beyond whatever petulance has worked for him so far. The way he handled the botched Carson introduction at the last debate revealed a glimmer of something beyond egotism and petulance, more in keeping with dignity and what appeared to be a natural ability to allow another to receive their due, which in this case was honor of a clean introduction.

bagoh20 said...

Unlike pundits and politicians, I won't claim to know what "Americans" think or want, but I'm sure it's nowhere near homogeneous. Trump has the highest negatives and does the worst nationally in polls of the general election. I expect that to change once he's nominated, and especially if he cools it on the stupid talk. You may fawn at that stuff, but if he could simply tone that down, I think he'd cruise to a win in the primary and the general. I'd rather have anyone else from the Republican field, because I think he has the highest possibility of being a disaster. Not that he will be, but his approach to problems makes it a high probability to me. We are all just guessing here, because he's been all over the map politically.

bagoh20 said...

"Does use of the term "dirty little naughty girl" to describe the sexual acting out of an abused child fall into that category?"

See, there is. It's not an argument - it's an attempt to attack me personally. Really, MamaM? That is such a desperate reach. That was not directed at anyone, did not involve any known person that you would have any way of knowing was an "abused child". Like I said, just pick a simple one word slur. It saves all that silly fumbling for stuff. So far it's "Trump hater", but that isn't insulting enough. I demand better.

Rabel said...

Amartel,

Because I think that Trump can fight back more effectively. He's so far outside the norm that he invalidates the usual attacks. I like Cruz. I will support him if he wins (and it's close so I could turn back to him from Trump) but, honest to God, his looks, his speaking style, his seeming lack of warmth or charm, set him up as a near perfect caricature of the evil hard right winger that has been rejected by the electorate repeatedly. Do those perceptions matter? Damn right they do, whether they're correct or not. I want to win an election, not a debate.

As for Trump being the left's Republican, that wasn't a liberal I heard talking last night. Maybe I'm being conned, but I don't think so.

ricpic said...

Who reads the NY Daily News? It seems to be aimed at schvartzes, judging from the huge picture to print ratio and the breathless coverage of dead Michael Jackson. How do I know this? Saturdays I skip my beloved NY Post and cadge the customer copy available at the supermarket cafe where I breakfast on coffee and an ersatz bagel. Anyhow blacks don't read. So who reads it? Not the hip NYer. Not the affluent NYer, who reads the Post but only after hiding it inside the Times or Wall Street Journal. So no one reads it. It's a rich Jew's folly. The publisher, whose name I cannot think of is.....

ricpic said...

Morton Zuckerman. A liberal. What else?

Amartel said...

Or alternatively we could choose not to live in Outrage World which is a pretty crowded and silly place these days. Lots of overlap with Idiocracy. It's a choice. I, too, believe that Trump loves this country and wants the best for it. The problem is that his track record indicates no clear governing principle or even a clear path to achieving that goal so he's going to be completely unpredictable. He's got two positions on every issue; the one from before and the one he's evolved into for the purposes of this election. Does the word "evolved" ring any bells? Anyone's views can "evolve" over time but sudden and obviously politically opportunistic evolution used to get called hypocrisy around these parts, and rightly so. Trump's going to end up brokering deals in order to "get things done." That's so not conservative, and not only that it's not going to help anyone but the DC establishment. If you are on the losing end of the deal, you will be ignored (unless you're a lefty welfare case/member of a pet community). If you protest, you will be insulted and degraded. Kind of like the last 8 years. This is not a belief; it a fair representation of the objective, incontrovertible evidence of past conduct. In my opinion, we still have good opportunity to do better.

Bill Maher, Jerry Rivers, and the rest of the MSM are giving Trump a pass for now. Why? Because they'd love to see him as the Republican candidate. All the stuff that makes him newsworthy and interesting busting up the Republican primary is fuel for their general election fire. The "authenticity" praise will just turn into "Trump's authentically Hitler" come July. Watch. It'll happen. Bill Maher is an unfunny offputting borehole who gets attention by saying something that actually makes sense once or twice a year and we all fall to our knees and praise him. Please stop doing that.

Amartel said...

Rabel - I agree, they're going to have to battle it out. I'll vote for whoever wins. If Trump wins he better put Cruz on the Court or as AG. Or both (not at the same time). No being a whiny crybaby little bitch. It's funny but despite all the mud that's been slung at Cruz I can't see him holding a grudge like Trump does. It's why I like him. He throws elbows, because this is a competition, but he doesn't scrape the bottom of the insult barrel.

bagoh20 said...

Amartel @ 6:36 says it all much better than I've been able to.

Titus said...

70's porn stach is obviously major rino.

Trump!

Methadras said...

Lulz, you think the left will smile while they plant a knife in your back, while republicans stand around watching in horror wringing their hands about when they can supplicate themselves for their next cocktail party invite. Oh please lefties, don't hate us. We are nice people. Really.

The fuck you think I've been telling you people this entire time I've been here and over at TOP. The left doesn't give two fucks about you. They will fuck you any chance they get, even worse than republicans could ever get the nerve to. Honestly, it isn't even about being a republicans, but rather, will the conservative movement finally take on a seek and destroy attitude against radical marxist leftist progressivism? Will it finally get the balls to move out of the ethical, moral, philosophical debate sphere and move into the go fuck yourselves we will finally eliminate and kill your ideology and even you if you get in the way mode? Will they?

Amartel said...

Another deflection. Precisely zero people here are making the argument that the right must supplicate itself to lefties. (Well, except maybe Titus is making that argument.)

Amartel said...

From the Bill Maher "blistering" (gag) essay about authenticity:

"But the younger generation is leading a movement to prize authenticity above all. Trump is a petulant child, but at least that's real, they seem to be saying. Bernie, too, is as real as real gets. (So real he doesn't even own a comb.)"

Trump is authentically a mean, petulant and childish; an authentic Republican.
Sanders ("Bernie") is authentically an adorable (oh, garsh, he doesn't comb his hair) really real person.
See how that works?
It's a blistering tongue bath for the "younger generation" (morons) who don't think and make decisions based on tired worn-out stereotypes (that favor the socialist, of course).

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

He likes Spearmint Rhino. (Assuming he's seen enough of California).

What a crazy name for a joint.

deborah said...

bago:

"I'm waiting to see what slur will be deployed in place of defending what is supposedly an intellectually developed position. Obamafans call me a "racist". Leftists call me a "bigot". Climate alarmists call me a "denier". You gotta come up with one - it saves a lot of effort."

How does 'pussy' grab you?

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

The DNC media have powerful tentacles - using the "right" as their tool. influencing minions and masses and... even Trump supporters... and they don't even know it.

Rabel said...

Ladies, please. Think of the children.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

You're right. Sorry, Trooper.



;-)

rcocean said...

Constant attacks on Trump by people who support the Status quo and like Jeb or Rubio.

They can't make the case for those 2 wankers, so its non-stop Trump bashing.

Methadras said...

Rhythm and Balls said...

He likes Spearmint Rhino.


That's going in my obscure band names list.

Methadras said...

Amartel said...

Another deflection. Precisely zero people here are making the argument that the right must supplicate itself to lefties. (Well, except maybe Titus is making that argument.)


Not really considering that people like Mitch McConnell has stated that he will no longer put up a fight towards Obama's policies to stop any of them for fear of alienating and/or disturbing the GOP presidential race. If that isn't supplication or defeatism, I don't know what is. Furthermore, Obama puts up a $4 trillion dollar budget and will probably go through without resistance. After all of Paul Ryan can cut loose $1.1 trillion in omnibus dollars, what's another $4 trillion?

MamaM said...

Making note of Maher's use of the word "authenticity" in describing what people seem to be valuing this time around is not the same as falling on one's knees to praise and worship him. Regardless of how he twisted and will twist his applications, Maher used the right word to highlight a factor that appears to be key, with vitality, along with authenticity (real or genuine : not copied or false)appearing to be as important to young voters as policy issues.

deborah said...

bago:

"I'm waiting to see what slur will be deployed in place of defending what is supposedly an intellectually developed position. Obamafans call me a "racist". Leftists call me a "bigot". Climate alarmists call me a "denier". You gotta come up with one - it saves a lot of effort."

Retardo?

MamaM said...

Doesn't Bago work just fine?

Amartel said...

Mama - This from a man who got tons of unearned mileage for years being "politically incorrect" (which basically amounted to taking easy shots at dumb girls-feminists-when they were not in the room) all while shilling for the Progs. Authenticity is the buzz word that we're hearing this week/month in this election. He's using it to polish up the prehistoric poop that is Bernie Sanders and make him more electable. The reference to Trump is only there so he can pretend "authenticity" is the "new rule" for 2016 ... and to reiterate the theme that Trump is childish and petulant. Maher is a opportunistic weasel yet he gets treated lie he's some sort of oracle. It's disgusting.

Amartel said...

Meth- your comment said "you" as though it was being addressed to the trump skeptics commenting here. If you were actually addressing the hordes of Jeb! and Kasich fans who infest this blogsite then I take it back!

bagoh20 said...

"Retardo?"

Ahhh, that's what my mom calls me. It makes me feel loved and hungry for grilled cheese sandwiches.

deborah said...

Oh, for the good old days. Like when Dad would tell me to go play in traffic.

William said...

Cruz criticizes the media in an intelligent, literate way. He scores his points, but it's like watching an Olympic boxing match. Trump is more WWF. It's more showmanship than actual cage match gore, but it's fun to watch. I'm not sure if the ability to dump on the media is the quality most needed in a President, but Trump is definitely the most accomplished in this regard. And it's an extremely attractive quality.......So far as I can remember, the only public spirited act he has performed in his time on earth was his repair of a skating rink. He may turn out to be a successful president, but it's a huge gamble. Jesse Ventura, Barack Obama and Arnold Scwarztenegger were not successful experiments.....There are other Republican candidates that I would feel more comfortable with, but I don't think they could win the nomination or the general election. I think Trump is right about more things than Hillary or that burning sensation, but he's definitely a gamble.

bagoh20 said...

By the time the election comes around, voting for Hillary will be too embarrassing for anyone but Bill. She's hasn't faced anyone in a debate that's willing to go after her endless array of fatal flaws. It's gonna be sad for her, if she even gets that far. Will people vote for a candidate under indictment for putting the nation at risk? Then add the corruption at State that will be exposed by then, and we got a sad state of affairs for dedicated Democrats.