Friday, January 16, 2015

Time: How Not to Be ‘Manterrupted’

Manterrupting: Unnecessary interruption of a woman by a man.

Bropropriating: Taking a woman’s idea and taking credit for it.

"We might have thought we were just being paranoid. But thanks to Sheryl Sandberg and Wharton business school professor Adam Grant (a man!) we can feel just a little less crazy when we mentally replay those meetings gone wrong. In a new op-ed in the New York Times, they point out the perils of “speaking while female,” along with a bevy of new research to prove that no, this is not all in our heads." (read more)

Why are some people 'hacking' things we already have a name for, like bad manners, making them into a battle of the sexes thing?

31 comments:

ricpic said...

Yes, such shrinking violets women are, NOT!

bagoh20 said...

Imagine a man making this complaint about the other men he works with. Would that increase the respect he would get from others including women in the organization? Would he be seen as more or less of a leader? Leaders don't whine about not getting the respect they deserve.

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit. ~ Harry S Truman

“There is no limit to the amount of good you can do if you don't care who gets the credit.” ~ Ronald Reagan

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Michael Haz said...

I get tired of being twatannoyed by the people in articles like this.

Amartel said...

"Why are 'hacking' things we already have a name for, like bad manners, making them into a battle of the sexes thing?"

Because waiting until well after the event and then bravely punching the English language in the face and declaring victory is how wussies fight. Instead of saying, "as I was saying before you butted in," or "as I just said," or "I liked that idea the first time I heard it, not five seconds ago, when I said it." See? Is that so hard? No.

chickelit said...

I like the "lean-in" advice to women -- especially if she's dressed for success!

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

@ Armatel. thanks.

Rabel said...

I'm on hold with the IRS. It appears that they think that I owe them a nickel, as in $00.05.

I disagree and I'm not going down easy.

Amartel said...

Rabel,
They're all busy watching online porn, losing incriminating evidence and punishing wrongthink. They'll be right with you in ... [six days]. Beeeep.
Push 1 to admit that you are to blame;
Push 2 to agree that the IRS needs its own army, with tanks and flamethrowers;
Push 3 to support the King Putt Free Ice Cream for Everyone All The Time Initiative;
Push 4 to automatically (don't worry, we know your bank account numbers) donate $500 to the DNC;
Push 5 to automatically (don't worry, we know your bank account numbers) donate all your money to the DNC;
Push 6 if you realize that Pushing 4 or 5 is reality redundant;
Push 7 if you are a Teabagger who wants to cut to the chase and start serving reeducation time immediately;
Push 8 because it rhymes with hate;
Push 9 to speak with Satan.

Rabel said...

Still waiting.

KCFleming said...

All the breastsplaining and vagspreading is making my spleen rupture.

I mean, she-hit, my sisters-in-law all have this phrase loaded for shootin' should anyone dare to jump in on any second of their 22 minute umpteenth retelling of the scary drive that happened last week but didn't cause an accident:

I WASN"T FINISHED...I>Anyway.......

Rabel said...

Waiting. Over an hour now. Endurance being tested. I will be strong.

Christy said...

These things happen. Or they did in my day. I always thought it was just me, until the day I took my intern to a meeting with me. The project was equipment for which I'd written the spec, shepherded through design, regulatory approval (and being one of the first, regulatory approval was a long grueling process) and fabrication. The meeting was with our construction contractors, the guys doing the installation, and did not go well. As we drove back to the office, my intern, a guy by the way, said he couldn't believe how the chief construction engineer was kibitzing every time I opened my mouth. I confess that the affirmation from this kid was an eye opening relief. I regret that, wanting to bring the project in on time and within budget, I pulled out the ole "you big strong smart experienced man, teach me everything you know" card with the old fart. Worked.

For the record, I found men graduating after about 1980 were much easier to work with.o

Aridog said...

Any day now come the television advertisements saying: "Just $19 dollars a month, only $0.63 per day, you can assist the Sheryl Sandberg Action Network! Contribute and they'll send you are nice crying towel.

Why is it, then, that some of the best executives I've known are women? Do not recall a whiner among them. One even faced down a couple guys named Rumsfeld and Cheney....although they did try hard to punish her. And that was their loss more than hers.

Aridog said...

Rabel ... you are my hero for today! Good luck.

Amartel ... heh heh.

Aridog said...

BTW Rabel...the IRS has already announced everything will take longer and longer now...budget restraints and such...mostly hogwash. They didn't cut any SES level folks, just a bunch of the functional civil servants in the GS schedule grades...e.g., the ones you deal with day to day. They tend to selectively keep the ones there that tow the SES line...think Lois Lerner for an image of an IRS SES executive.

Can't fire or un-employ a "Fed"...ever here of a "RIF?" "RIF" is Anglo for adios folks.

Amartel said...

Rabel -

The IRS Too Busy To Talk To YOU

Sulking About Budget

Priorities, people, priorities.

Rabel said...

I'm clear!! Or so the IRS lady said (lets call her Bee, for Beelzebub).

I got a notice in December that I owed $15.90 in interest. This was due to a TurboTax fuck-up when I made my original payment. I sent them a check and it was cashed on 12/29 which was the due date for the payment.

Today I got another notice that said that I owed $15.95 which is 15.90 plus .05 interest. It threatened to put a lien on my home if payment was not received by Jan 22. The notice said to ignore it if you had sent in payment in the last 14 days. My timeline was over 14 days.

So I went to their website where you can login and get a current "statement of account". That statement did not show receipt of the 15.90 check and a balance due of 15.95. So, sensing a self-sustaining loop of monthly nickel interest charges developing, I called.

After an hour and 10 minutes, Bee picked up the phone. She seemed sleepy and surly but from her voice I deduced that she was a middle-aged black lady from the South. Score!!! I OWN Southern middle-aged black ladies (perhaps "own" is a poor choice of words).

I won her over with my charm and had her laughing by the end of the conversation. Bee said that they were closed the last couple of weeks in December and found evidence of my 15.90 check in the "pending" file. Bee said that when it was booked, it would count from the day it was received and any interest charges after that would be cancelled.

So, if Bee was correct (50% chance) I'll be in the clear if they un-pend my check before Jan 22. If not I'll get a notice for $16.00 due. Or a Notice of Federal Lien. One or the other.

Amartel said...

After January 22, will Rabel receive a Notice for $16 due?
or $16 million due?

Tune in and find out (for a small fee) on the next episode of Game of Drones.

edutcher said...

Excellent point.

(was that too patriarchal?)

rhhardin said...

If you're any good, you'll come up with something else.

Always share ideas.

You'll find you get ideas back.

rhhardin said...

Notices demanding immediate payment of $0.00 are the most entertaining.

I got an electric company bill for $8,000.00 once when the estimated reading for the previous month was way too high so they assumed the meter had rolled completely over.

I was going to write them a check for a million dollars with a note to keep the change when a corrected bill arrived.

Unknown said...

All the latest gender based whining exhaust me.

not that I haven't experienced being treated like someone less capable based on my gender.
Plenty of ways to fight it or ignore it.



Unknown said...

In local news in leftwing lala land: 2 guys assaulted a Jewish guy after they asked him to remove his yarmulke, and the Jewish guy rightfully refused.


@Rabel- what a pain.
@Amartel - LOL!


I had to spend over an hour on the phone waiting for FED-EX to correct a mistake. They overcharged me 800+ dollars & It was their mistake. I happened to see the mistake with a thorough reading of my credit card statement. Otherwise, they would have ripped me off.

Aridog said...

Rabel ... you travails are amusing only because of your responses and the IRS nonsense over such a pittance.

Now here's the caution I will give you, as one who fought the IRS for 15 years over a 6 figure issue plus interest and penalty, which doubled the amount, (none of it was tax I personally owed, but linked to an alleged fiduciary responsibility) .... if your debate with the IRS is in the high 4 figures or 5 figures (remember it will double or more rapidly), Lord I'd hope not 6 figures, do NOT, repeat, do NOT respond to any IRS contact what so ever, in any manner...contact an attorney who specializes in tax matters, they will file as your representative, and the IRS is then bound to deal only with them...even if they try more mail solicitation of you....ignore them all and forward to the attorney. I don't mean one of the television advertised outfits, I mean an attorney that you locate near you and check out with other attorneys...and be sure they are registered as formal taxpayer representatives.

Reason I say this is because if the IRS can get you verbally agree to zip (it will be recorded), or sign anything what-so-ever, you just set the statue of limitations clock back to zero. Do NOT do it.

May you never have to do so...but for anyone else who might face it, check my advice out with a local good tax attorney.

Aridog said...

BTW...I still have tax liens on me dating to 1990...however, after 10 years they are unenforceable, and no longer reportable on credit reports, if not re-filed. The IRS has so far refused to file for their removal, but has not re-filed either... because I won , & I have the formal IRS statements showing zero due. They're just weenies on the subject...clinging to worthless symbols. The attorney costs were less than 20% of the amount the IRS claimed I owed...and I was much happier paying working attorneys than the IRS, who'd never have accepted that as settlement anyway. Once embroiled in a high figure debate with the IRS...never offer a settlement, you just open a door for them to pursue you further. If you do not truly owe the principal, paying them anything is like bribing Al Sharpton.

Yep, it's a sore spot for me...a waste of time and money for nothing.

Aridog said...

Rabel...they (the IRS) were not actually "closed" just nearly so...the "use it or lose it" features of federal civil servant vacation days means most federal civil servants take vacation from roughly Christmas to 10 January. Have to or lose the time & pay. To eliminate this nonsense, just eliminate the "use it or lose it" feature and let civil servants save up vacation days, if they chose, to apply to their eventual retirement. The effect of inflation will actually make it cheaper overall to the government to do so. Heaven forbid, right?

When I ran a military "fed" office I was usually the only one on hand every day...part of the that "essential employee" bit they added to some job descriptions, including mine ... that also eliminated the "volunteer" requirement for deployment, in uniform, to Iraq or Afghanistan. Yuk.

Rabel said...

I was curious about the "closed" thing. That was her word choice.

Eric the Fruit Bat said...

Has anyone yet mentioned that "manterrupted" is a terrible word because "man" does not rhyme with "in?"

That's okay.

I just did.

Aridog said...

Rabel....what cracks me up is that they'd even consider debating 5 cents. It's a cost loser....even for gummint thinking. Normally the IRS drops it if an amount is under $1.00 ... and once they discovered your check, the remainder was 5 cents.

chickelit said...

Eric the Fruit Bat said...Has anyone yet mentioned that "manterrupted" is a terrible word because "man" does not rhyme with "in?"

How sexist of you to even bring that up.

Are you questioning that person's humorism?