Here, O'Reilly and Krauthammer discuss the divide between RINOs and other Republicans. Krauthammer insists the differences are a matter of tactics, not beliefs. He calls for unity between both factions in order to take advantage of the Left's current dilemma. A brief tape featuring Sarah Palin is reviewed, with her candid opinion on Christie's weight.
Excerpt:
"CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: I've been attacked a lot over 30 years. You know, if that -- I would be out of the arena if I was in support of them. And I understand people who said this is a time when you want to stand up. I thought it was the wrong tactic at the wrong time. Look, what we have as you mentioned in the opening, we have not just Obamacare unraveling, not just the Obama administration unraveling, not just the Democratic majority in the Senate [unraveling], but we could be looking at the collapse of American liberalism. Obamacare is the big thing for them, the biggest in 100 years. And this is a moment when we have to be calm. We have to understand what holds us together on the right. We have to watch and explain why the failure of the left is happening. And if we do that, we will win."
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He's high. Leftism is a disease like cancer: hundreds of forms, and sources. It pays many people very well for their cooperation, and many more are coddled into feeling OK about thier failure by it, so it ain't going nowhere.
I thought it was the wrong tactic at the wrong time.
Strangely enough, at the beginning of the shutdown I got into it with a lefty friend on FB, and told him exactly that -- that the differences among the Repubs were over tactics vis-a-vis ObamaCare, but that all of them hated it.
There are definitely major doctrinal differences among the various subgroups of the Republican Party. But that's the case for the Democrats even more so -- differences exacerbated by distinctions of class, race, ethnicity, & faith (or lack thereof). Just wait until 2016 when the Left Wing of the Demos yet again faces off against the Clinton Machine. The "Magic Negro" saved the Democrats from coming apart at the seams the last time. They may not be so lucky in 2016.
Oh isn't that the typical Repub Moderate attitude - 'Lets not attack each other'. Why of course. Except - of course - when the liberals go after someone on the "hard right" in which case, we need to throw Limbaugh, Palin, Coulter, Cruz, etc. "under the bus" because they are "extreme" and/or "Can't win".
Don't forget the "Kraut" is a self-described neo-con who used to write speeches for Walter Mondale.
BTW, Christie's weight IS going to be a problem. The only minority you can go after in today's America is overweight people.
If we nominate Christie, you're going to hear mockery and ridicule like you never heard it. Democrats will show no compassion and no shame.
That's AFTER the nomination. Before that, he'll be the Democrat's favorite Republican.
We have to understand what holds us together on the right. We have to watch and explain why the failure of the left is happening. And if we do that, we will win.
Fun-spolier alert is that he's saying that to a guy whose politics impel him to such great heights as this.
Best part is the improvised "meteor" sound effects. ;-)
Tactics again. They're stuck on tactics. Old men and their three-tier chess, minding their pieces, carefully doling out their limited energy, careful with their dwindling old-white-man resources. Frightened of activism. Disdainful of being noticed. They're all just so goddamn, oh, what's the word for it... on the tip of my tongue...conservative. If Republicans want unity so much, if unity is so important to Republicans then let them get on board with events as they unfold, make events unfold, or shut up.
I agree with Chip. They should just shut up. ;-)
Thanks for that, Chip!
Kraut is wrong.
Failure doesn't deter the idealists.
All political commentators resort to silly hyperbole. Obama's victory was not the end of the Republican Party. A Republican will be president again. The failure of Obamacare is not the end of liberalism. In fact, I think that Obamacare will prove very difficult, if not impossible, to kill.
The same old shit will come around again, disguised as something new. On both sides.
Bago, I think it's Progressivism that they are aiming at, and Kraut means they'll wound it severely, not fatally.
Great point, rc. There are groups out there, eg Karl Rove's, specifically aimed at Tea Party candidates like the one who used to be a witch(O'Donnell).
Look you can't expect a dude in a wheelchair to stand up for what is right.
If Ironside was alive he would say that is just not right.
That's the original Ironside. The homo not the black one.
I am running a poll about Christie being the Republican nominee.
He is losing to Cthulhu.
Badly.
Oh and by the way....everybody knows what Cthulu looks like!
I agree with Chip. The people who want to be careful, and strategic, and not challenge anyone, may be more electable, but that's not the sole objective. Winning means nothing if the mandate is just to not rock the boat. The issues and the failures are at existential levels now. We need to at least offer our people a chance at excellence again through freedom. If they don't take it, then that's who we are, and we need to go down. There is no long term success though conservative principles that are hidden and over-moderated into a slightly slower decline. Give the people a choice while the face of the collectivist failure is front and center. It may well be the last chance, before things are beyond repair.
@bagoh
You got a candidate who can advance that agenda and win?
People like Kraut and O'Reilly (in O'Reilly's case, puke, spit) are kibitzers gaming potential outcomes with a NYC/DC outlook. Most of the punditocracy is risk averse when push comes to shove. They've got their own lucrative gigs and want to remain relevant. With few exceptions, there's not a Patton in the bunch.
To hear Krauthammer tell it there's nothing worse than calling a spade a spade. He of course calls that being divisive. And there's nothing worse than divisive. The rape of the country as we - you know, we retards, we throwbacks, we neanderthals as Montana Urban Schmendrik will be only too happy to spew - have known it by the Left is nothing, a bagatelle compared to divisiveness. How is it that the Alinskyite filth that everyone high and low on the left spews, how is it that that gets a pass from Krauthammer? Because, he would condescend to tell us, that's just the way the Left is. And must be lived with. Or...Because Obama...in the language of the street. There is absolutely no hope for conservatism until the old appeasers, the establishment conservatives are routed by those with the fire in the belly to fight the Left, no holds barred.
Lol - Chip nailed it. Politics is all so *complicated* to Republicans - so delicate and subtle. Its 3D chess played by Einstein's on swings over a bottomless pit - where any mistake can.. cost your Life!!!
Meanwhile the Democrats go after the Republicans while half-drunk with baseball bats - and Win - again and again.
"You got a candidate who can advance that agenda and win?"
I'm not that smart, but my approach is no different than an "unrealistic" leftist would have had in 2006 pining for someone like Obama who didn't have a chance in hell back then either.
It's not so much who they are this time as long as they can pick up the mantle when the country is ready for it, which it is right now. I think the candidate is out there in a dozen different people that just have to come forward and stand up with a clear unapologetic message. People have learned their lesson about going for charisma, personality, or identity politics. It may be a very rare opportunity where the man is not so important as what he says, and the vision he offers for Americans to fix themselves.
BTW, I can remember the Bush years and Rove's Big brain. Sophisticated and nuanced. A man who could play politics on six different levels while juggling six wild raccoons.
Whenever conservatives would sound the alarm on some Bush sell-out of conservatives, we were told "tut-tut, don't worry, Rove's big brain has figured it all out. Its a clever trap for the Democrats"
Of course, it never was. When the sell-out occurred, we were then told it was OUR fault. Bush was FORCED to sell us out because he didn't have a 'super-majority' or he couldn't control the MSM or he had to concentrate on the WOT. Or something.
@bagoh
I agree with you to a certain extent.
I think that the electorate has to turn against the incompetence, false idealism, hope for freebies, economic collapse and corruption embodied by the Obama admin.
I've seen this happen once before in my lifetime. Americans got sick of the malfeasance and incompetence of the Carter admin.
Reagan came along at the right time. Everybody was fed up with sacrificing their standard of living, being broke and being jobless. I don't know if that will happen this time around.
When your enemy is falling down the stairs, don't get in front of him.
I do not disagree with that principle. I did not care for the Establishment GOP jumping all over Cruz and Paul (whether they agreed with the tactics or not). It got personal and it was McCain and Graham that made it so initially (although Cruz gave it back just fine).
Okay.
But most will not remember the recent government shutdown in November 2014. They will remember Obamacare because it will continue to flounder until then. It is not fixable. It is fundamentally flawed. So yes, conservatives, tea party members, and Establishment Republicans need to let the Democrats fail.
I agree with Chip, also, the time is now, or it may be too late. But it has to be someone sale-able. A governor.
Ritmo! You would have a much better point if the guy making fun of O'Reilly wasn't that lunatic, Laurence O'Donnell :)
Don't worry about Kris Kristiekreme. He has to win some primaries to be a playah. He might pull off NH, but do you see him being effective in many other early states?
I do not see him pulling it off. Still, I do want to see better GOP candidates running (not the usual suspects). Rick Santorum, no. Newt Gingrich, no. Scott Walker, yes. But I want to see other candidates going for it beyond Walker.
Bachmann?
Turner.
Overdrive?
You are ready for the Catskills!
"When your enemy is falling down the stairs, don't get in front of him."
Of course, but don't just stand there watching either. Didn't you ever watch that metaphor for politics "Friday the Thirteenth". He's not gonna die from the fall. Don't just hope - make sure he's dead, dead, dead.
Way too early to be talking 2016, but don't overlook Rick Perry. If he can arrange a YouTube of him shooting another coyote while jogging, he's in like Flint.
Shoot a coyote while jogging and that's it? No.
We need someone with ideas and someone who is smart enough to articulate those ideas.
Bill Whittle!
I know. Lets run Jonathan Martin. He combines the virtues of Clinton and Obama.
He can cry on demand.
And he is black.
Perfect.
Oh sorry. Can't make fun of that.
It is too sensitive a subject.
You're looking too far into the future. The big race is in 2014. If the Republicans win back the Senate and keep the House, the choice of presidential candidate will not be as important as it otherwise would be.
Win the Senate. Better yet, win it big enough to get a super majority. Veto-proof the place.
Interesting, Michael. If that happens, do you think Hillary! will still want a go at POTUS?
Allen - I think her ego demands that she run. It isn't inevitable, though. Her role in Benghazi and her shilling for ObamaCare and earlier role in the failed HillaryCare could be deal killers for Dem voters.
His lips to God's ears.
bagoh20 said...
He's high. Leftism is a disease like cancer: hundreds of forms, and sources. It pays many people very well for their cooperation, and many more are coddled into feeling OK about thier failure by it, so it ain't going nowhere
But, if the trains don't run on time, people get restless.
The stuff has to show up, and it isn't.
FDR is dead.
LBJ is dead.
Please, no Bachmann, Kucinich, Gingrich.
I heard the explanation for Rick Perry making those boo-boos was because he was on pain meds for his back.
I know Haz and TC, but it's an addiction!
People have learned their lesson about going for charisma, personality, or identity politics.
Lol. Vote for someone uncharismatic, anti-social, and with whom you can't identify!
What could go wrong?
Her role in Benghazi and her shilling for ObamaCare and earlier role in the failed HillaryCare could be deal killers for Dem voters.
Riiiight...
"Lol. Vote for someone uncharismatic, anti-social, and with whom you can't identify!
What could go wrong?"
Maybe you never considered competence, pragmatism, and intelligence? All of which you clearly see as unnecessary considering who you defend regularly.
Style over substance doesn't leave you with much once you actually get the job, and especially after you fuck it up big time.
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